As per Hal Houle, CTE DOES NOT work with the vision center directly over the actual shot line, or NISL as Stan describes it. Silver Member. cookie man AzB Silver Member. EXACTLY WHAT is the Supposed Phenomenon for Center to Edge 'Aiming'. If there were 10. According to both the inventor of CTE (Hal Houle) and Stan himself, Stan Shuffet’s CTE Pro One only works because the table has 2x1 dimensions. . Stan and Landon Shuffett took an interest in Hal's CTE and they both met and studied with Hal. ”Hal Houle Point and Pivot System by Billiards Forum Editor's Desk | Sep 30, 2014 | Aiming and Execution Tutorials for Billiards New Post - Hal Houle Point and Pivot. . By: Search Advanced search…HEY GUYS MY 2 CENTS the CTE devotees we know who you are EVERYONE ELSE. #4. Instruction & Ask the pros. When I first started on the various forums nearly. EXACTLY WHAT is the Supposed Phenomenon for Center to Edge 'Aiming'. Much to what I assume will be the chagrin of the vocal CTE guys, Hal Houle himself said this in his infamous original 3-angle document. S. I think Hal was largely correct in that assessment. If there were 10. Hal Houle . There Left edge,left quarter,center. I watched all dvds I listed above and they are some good and some bad. The man genuinely wanted to share his knowledge with as many people as he could and did it for free. Too bad and bullshit if that's the mindset. On the first occasion I spoke to him for a while, and then I played on the adjacent table while he schooled a couple people for several hours. Both are deadly ways to pocket balls, contrary to what has been claimed by a small. When you’re two steps ahead, you’re a crackpot. The main reason why CTE is COMPLETE BULLSHIT (and, I’m sure, made up as somebody’s joke to show how dumb people are), is that there’s no discussion in it. He has many system so make sure it is the wright one before you try to make a joke out of him. i teach professional aiming systems. It has NO 7 fractions along the face of the OB. add another ball that can be used with. . I was very lucky yesterday to spend a day visiting Hal Houle. But does anyone have a diagram or can at least explain simply what the. ”. . He ran with Jimmy Moore, I think. Hal was a veteran of the U. CTE is a pre-shot routine that involves the use of the line from the center of the cue ball through the outside edge of the object ball (from the intended pocket. Im guessing this is based on possible points for the QB and object ball. I don't know why and frankly I. Hey everyone, New guy here. Connie and I are beyond pleased! I left it all on the table: 38. instructors do not have a clue about aiming systems. . The first time started 26 years ago with Hal Houle and then those who followed. Hal Houle Point and Pivot System. points") with either edge of the OB is the simplest way to think of it, but you can use several combinations of the fourths on both balls to. A. I then listened to them for several more hours while on my route as a mailman today so I could really let it sink into my subconscious. JoeyA, Always glad to share my knowledge with those who sincerely want to learn the game. as was Hal's in "defining" "backhand english" as a method to return to center ball. Search titles only. It is a Small World After all. The step by step process will be revealed. . I am aiming base on the hal houle system but using the edge of shaft to aiming point. Search titles only. . The quality was amazing and I can’t wait to take pics in these two piece sets. I have played around with CTE for ~ 2 years. Silver Member. I've met Hal a few times. I'm a completely new player. The best person to ask is Hal himself. . Adored wife of the late Harold "Hal" Houle. Guess the year. Stan's previous occupation was that of a teacher and he is a natural at teaching pool. Yes. HOULEHarold G. Aiming ConversationDo any of the pros actually use these systems? I remember about a year ago I tried to use the ghost balls system but I found that it could fail at clutch moments. It is not CTE but it IS a Hal Houle aiming system called SHISKABOB. After much consideration, I have made a business decision to indefinitely postpone the creation of a CTE/PRO ONE video. . The main reason why CTE is COMPLETE BULLSHIT (and, I’m sure, made up as somebody’s joke to show how dumb people are), is that there’s no discussion in it. They could care less about 90/90 or the SEE System. we know that you and Hal were close. So the non-users consider that false advertisement. By: Search Advanced search…Years ago, in a galaxy far, far away (in RSB, an internet pool newsgroup before AZ came along) he labeled Hal Houle a heretic for preaching this mystical and magical system called CTE. To Dave Segal for being so vocal about what. 403 court search results for people named "Paul Houle" in the United States. Barbara Houle. What is it exactly? How is it used in. Hal called me one day out of the blue back in the late 90's. As most of you know, Hal was known for being devious in explaining CTE and that created a lot of misunderstanding about it. Hal Houle developed over 20 aiming systems that had nothing to do with contact points or fractions. . I use it more in practice and do not focus on the pivot when I play. A lot of my terminology might be a little outdated but once you lock in your visuals, what is the precise order of. #2. According to both the inventor of CTE (Hal Houle) and Stan himself, Stan Shuffet’s CTE Pro One only works because the table has 2x1 dimensions. Hal and CTE have been hotly debated for many years. If you would like a copy, email me atThe answers I received, from Houle followers, defied the laws of geometry and, as such, were absurd. Sep 18, 2014. way I aim is I am alway shooting cue ball center but I am using the edge of the shaft. I was very lucky yesterday to spend a day visiting Hal Houle. halhoule AzB Silver Member. . There were so many that were disrespectful and that is one if the things I despise about AZB. Barbara was born in Waterbury and was the. "Hal" Houle, age 82, passed away on May 29, 2014. When these methods are used the feel in aiming is reduced to almost zero. . By: Search Advanced search…Search titles only. He ran with Jimmy Moore, I think. Let me know which one was your favorite in the comments! I’m really looking forward to making more micro two piece hauls with my friends so if you liked this one make sure to let me know :) My favorite Bikini from this haul was the last one! Check out Dare and Codee!That was Hal Houle's claim - but it actually takes about 50 different cut angles just to make a spot shot into a 4. They could care less about 90/90 or the SEE System. REP to you dave. 5railkick said: I read on the other forum that Hal uses a 2 angle method to aim every shot. To zero in on A or C, I simply line up the edge of the cueball to B first, as this is a very. As per Hal Houle, CTE DOES NOT work with the vision center directly over the actual shot line, or NISL as Stan describes it. I wish I would have known him back when he and I were younger. . Those who have learned CTE and become successful with it. Hal Houle showed this to me and it worked. Pool lost a pioneer. Silver Member. He welcomes inquiries and does not charge for his advice. If you Google search, pro one billiards aiming system you will get a lot of information. Also, now in effect, all. Thankfully, Hal sent a private email inviting me His credentials are very impressive, with Pro player being one of his accomplishments. Anyways, CTE had been a point of discussion on RSB and Hal calls me one afternoon and starts off with, "Lou, this is Hal Houle. Hal Houle has many systems, so you start from a false premise. . i teach professional aiming systems. Just reading the 1st chapter brings back so many memories of my teachings with Hal. It is absolutely connected. Both of these men have spent a lot of time figuring out alternative ways to line up to the shot. I know Hal Houle there are only 3 or 4 shots in pool. How does Hal Houle’s three-angle system work? Hal Houles’ 3-angle system is a type of fractional-ball aiming system. As most of you know, Hal was known for being devious in explaining CTE and that created a lot of misunderstanding about it. This method may not be for everyone, as it takes an analytical mind to wrap your head around. That "7 fractions" stuff is total BALONEY and I have no idea where that got pulled out of. . Q. All I can I can say for now is that NO ONE loved pool more than Hal. Hal Houle changed my life. Dave has CTE on his web-site, also Hal Houle's 3-angle system. He has created several different systems to help people play better. Hal Hale was an American basketball player and coach. Looking forward to some positive recollections of Hal and his theories and methods. He has never stopped after 25 years. These techniques are all referred to as “offset and pivot” systems. . I commented that, from my recollection, Hal Houle was a decent guy and had always been forthcoming in our prior discussions. As one of the 1st Hooligans from RSB, I thank you very much for the book and thousands of hours of. By: Search Advanced search…Some of the personalities go back 15 years or more where we had the same disagreements about Hal Houle's "3 angles" fractional system on RSB. and I get all da rolls. Oct 12, 2022 #56 phreaticus said:A CTE/PRO ONE video is coming! The video will present the exact visual nature of CTE. There's only the center of the OB, the 1/4 or 3/4, and the edge. And in fact I do credit Hal Houle and Stan and everyone working on objective aiming for keeping me interested in playing. People like Hal Houle and Ron Vitello and Gene are always going to have negative people trying to tear. “When you’re one step ahead of the crowd you’re a genius. I use it more in practice and do not focus on the pivot when I play. . The pro's answer would be 4 + 0 = 4. Condolences to his wife and family. His gem being Center To Edge. "3-point" or "ball fractions" system. Too many things didn't make sense to me so I moved on. All of which are very interesting and Ive been mixing and matching depending on the shot but for easy shots, I still use the ghostball system. . take the time go to the table and try it someone suggested. I personally used it for several years before Hal taught me a version of CTE. :grin-square: Perhaps the video will be large enough to honor Hal Houle for what he created. Hal helped so many people over the years never asking for a dime for his time. Maybe it was already a given between us and we worked on other things. . Watching the new "Truth Series" videos from Stan I get what is going on with the different lines. (edited December 26th, Amazon ended the free promotion and the book is now $1. . Therefore a cue ball has 360 ticks and an object ball has 360 ticks at their respective circumferences. It is looked upon as extrordinary, but it is a duplicate. A key factor in CTE is that the shooter learns to largely disengage his conscious mind from the aiming process. I watched all dvds I listed above and they are some good and some bad. it's magic. instructors do not have a clue about aiming systems. I came into this multi-decade argument a few months ago after having learned basic CTE from Hal years ago. Landon Shuffett vs Earl Strickland in the Diamond 10-Ball 10 Foo…The Hal Houle Point and Pivot system is a billiard aiming system that uses the geometry, layout, and design of a pool table, as well as some common assumptions. He has posted his phone number -- the new one in Pennsylvania (I think). I've been reading this board faithfully for nearly a decade, yet I've never heard mention of Ralph Greenleaf being a drunk. Also let me know if you disagree with any of the existing. right quarter,and right edge. 4. this came about with lateral thinking - thinking far outside the box by hal houle and then stan shuffett. When you slip stroke, you are essentially stopping the cue during the back stroke, and quickly sliding your hand back further on the cue, grabbing the cue. I hoped that he would chime in and help explain away the apparent dilemma. Just for you, here is my answers to your queries. Hale played high school basketball at Jordan High School in Sandy, Utah from 1960 to 1962 and won a state championship. you have nothing to lose. I decided last winter to turn myself into an Open caliber. . Most would say 2 + 2 = 4, others 1 + 3 = 4, 3 + 1 = 4 or 1. Ask The InstructorI'm pretty sure he was from the Albuquerque neck of the woods. There is a link for an interview with Jimmy and Rick Owens, his relative, just before he passed. Eventually, I became his successor. His method consisted of the ABC lines on the object ball and the center and edge of the cue ball. hang in. Tom Simpson was 20 years younger than Hal. These techniques are all referred to as “offset and pivot” systems. Anyone that wants to give this an honest try, please do so and report back to this post. It is a system that is surrounded by plenty of skepticism, for sure. #2. "Hal" Houle, age 82, passed away on May 29, 2014. JoeyInCali Maker of. . A and C are the object ball quarters. (since we have nothing but the edge of the object. I've met Hal a few times. instructors do not have a clue about aiming systems. bbb AzB Gold Member. It is looked upon as extrordinary, but it is a duplicate of the Sailor's system only much less detailed and much less comprehensive. B. Or match what is on the. A. It has NO 7 fractions along the face of the OB. Article posted in: Billiards Forum -> Cue Sports -> Pool Playing Tips -> Aiming and Execution Tutorials. I didnt locate the photo until the first editions were already printed. Glad you had a chance to see a real pool room. Even then, the adjustment is minimal. It was what got his mind thinking about what we see on pool balls and how CTE came to be. . But, center-to-edge aiming is only one part. I doubt that Stan's defining and refining will change any of that no matter how exact CTE/Pro One is. Hal Houle, the person I will call the father of all this, had many many many variations and systems. I was just wondering what aiming systems are geometrically correct? I've been looking into different aiming systems lately because I think it might be. And he's had an internet woody on ever since trying to discredit anyone that teaches or promotes any aiming system that is based off of Hal's. To Freddie Agnir and others for spending time on the table showing what you learned from Hal and being willing to help. every top player uses the same pro aiming system. Aiming ConversationInstruction & Ask the pros. The Hal Houle Point and Pivot system is a billiard aiming system that uses the geometry, layout, and design of a pool table, as well as some common assumptions to help you determine the appropriate spot on the object ball to strike with the cue ball. Search titles only. I found you to have searched out from Hal Houle(my friend and mentor) along with several others and tried to combine their theories on aiming into one nice system of teaching aiming. You came to aiming systems because of all the discussion and development of systems that Hal developed. I read morhts article but I would like further clarification. If you, as a pool enthusiast and player are interested in improving your game by becoming proficient with CTE (Center To Edge) Aiming, it won't be here. . Freddie <~~~ like Farmer’s Insurance . Hals's version started with an "inside cue tip" placement on the CB aiming to the same three spots on the OB as this guy and then pivoting back to center. . Hal Houle/Family I think Hal is and was a great teacher- I have only learned over the phone- his cte stuff. M is a visual aiming method. I'm still confused on the exact steps of stepping the cueball. Just very different ways of seeing the two balls,. . " Hal's greatest joy was. 3 angles for all shots, on any size pool table, including snooker & bar tables. Yeah, I know - I know, if Hal did something it MUST be bogus and witchcraft. I have been using it for a few years with very good results. left side of shaft to right left and right side of the shaft to go right. EVER allow Fast Larry to post on AZ under his name with your consent, approval, and blessing from now until the day you leave AZ or. M is a by-product of Hal Houle's teaching. Both are deadly ways to pocket balls, contrary to what has been claimed by a small group for 25 years on multiple pool forums but have found a home on this forum since 2003. I have read a few CTE threads but not really posted much. Billiards (RSB) describing how only 3 lines were required to make nearly all cut shots on a 2:1 pool table with angles from 0 to about 90 degrees. . Army and was stationed in Germany during the Korean Conflict. Stan's overall knowledge and understanding of pool is off the charts. Most are good honest requests to learn. But he said he understood the concept, so I gave him the okay. poolguppy AzB Silver Member. There are. . Regardless of whether you like, love or hate the use of the tip for that purpose. I have shown Hal Houle's quarters system to APA 3s and 4s and watched them start making shots way above their skill level. You know this is false. These guys want to act like it's supposed to be some magical event that Stan claims makes the ball. Hugo Houle (born 1990-09-27 in Sainte-Perpétue) is a professional road racing cyclist from Canada, currently riding for Israel - Premier Tech. Honestly no matter what "system" you use if you do not have a consistent stroke, a straight stroke, and good fundamentals, the want to get better, and. Christopher lives on the same street as the following people: Roshelly Aviles · Susan M Heffelfinger · Anne E Vonneida · Hal Houle · Julia B Houle · Andrea J Partridge · David A Partridge · K Partridge · Sonia S Houle · Paula M Santos · Dana M Hackman · Trevor L Hackman · Scott Morgan · Mark E Barowski · Ann M Polukis · Michele M. . Hal Houle's Aiming Cyrus Jackson 6 videos 165 views Last updated on Jan 28, 2022 Play all Shuffle 1 2:02 1 Position, 10 Shots Sean Higgins • 5. This is a no english system but with back hand english there is very little correction. side (plus "real thin") no matter how you do it. I'm still confused on the exact steps of stepping the cueball. Sep 17, 2014 #11The National Billiard Academy is the only school authorized to teach the specialized Aiming Systems of Hal Houle. Hal Houle It's been a long time since I've seen this HH post and something caught my attention that I don't recall thinking about. . Thank you thank you thank you. Recently, I've started playing more and. ) I will be more than happy. Any system based on a limited number of lines of aim will obviously not cover a wide range of shotsHi guys. They're very similar with the exception of starting out with an inside of center alignment to parts of the OB and then pivoting back to CCB with Shish. North, and all the ships at sea. Nov 12, 2019 - Answers to frequently-asked questions about Hal Houle's 3-angle aiming system. Still doing it. Vahmurka. I would telephone every few months checking in with him or he would call me and we would talk. Silver Member. Whether it be Hal Houle’s Center-to-Edge, Stan Shuffett’s Pro1 or Ron Vitello’s 90/90, offset and pivot systems afford players objective and repeatable methods of ball-pocketing (without the guesswork of ghost ball or other traditional methods. 82 m (5 ft 11 + 1 ⁄ 2 in) Weight: 72 kg (159 lb; 11 st 5 lb) Team information; Current team:. As has been discussed from time to time (a euphemism for ad nauseam), fractional aiming systems would appear to require an adjustment method for shots that don't fall exactly into the categories of half-ball hit (center-to-edge) or the other general aim guides. i teach professional aiming systems. For example when Hal Houle introduced the tern “Backhand English,” the Aim&Pivot Method had already been around for ten or twenty years earlier (I’d already incorporated in my game by that time), and a diagram of the same concept existed some hundred years earlier. . Adored wife of the late Harold "Hal" Houle. I found a post from 2009 from someone who said Hal Houle told them the guy was an awesome player from out of Cochrans, another was the Ripleys Believe it or not post in one of Bob Byrnes books about the 180 ball run. "Your" system exists because of the efforts of Hal Houle to bring the concept of ball to ball objective aiming systems into mainstream pool instruction. Stan Shuffett refined it and it is called "CTE Pro One". If the dimensions are other than 2x1, logically, then CTE will no longer work. None of them were related to math and geometry. Hal and I had only a phone relationship, never having met him in person. . Both are deadly ways to pocket balls, contrary to what has been claimed by a small. In my opinion if you HONESTLY wanted to learn CTE then. In another pool forum they have discussed for at least thirty pages of threads, Hal Houle's aiming system. The main reason why CTE is COMPLETE BULLSHIT (and, I’m sure, made up as somebody’s joke to show how dumb people are), is that there’s no discussion in it. ) I will be more than happy. S. AND ACCURATE. The common fractional-ball aiming system, sometimes referred to as Hal Houle’s 3-angle system. It also had absolutely nothing to do with CONTACT POINTS. . . I don't understand half of Spidey's post but I compeletly understand what he means. ” In TP A. If you look at most shots they can be grouped into one of these three angles in a general sense. hal houle. Yes, I aim to put ball in pocket. By: Search Advanced search…I really was hesitant to bring this up and face the wrath of khan if this has already been clearly explained but I can't find it so can someone please point. Hal, what he created, and those who followed will live forever. SHISHKABOB is similar to CTE in that there are 3 spots to aim at like CTE. M is a visual aiming method. How it's advertised is as an objective aiming system with zero feel or subconscious involvement. Align the the cue about 1/2 tip off center from the cue ball. It was posted here about 6. It's just a fact of life that no matter what you do there are people who find issue with it. I hear Stan Shuffet is coming out with a free video on U Tube to explain "center to edge" aiming. Search titles only. A. every top player uses the same pro aiming system. When these methods are used the feel in aiming is reduced to almost zero. 0. Hal Houle . . Jul 25, 2005. Aiming ConversationYou mean the same Hal Houle who said there are only three cut angles in pool because “pocket slop”, right? lol Being a pool professional doesn’t mean you know much - probably the opposite, in fact. Last night's match against my buddy. To me, the bold and red highlighted parts seem to indicate that Hal did not believe that the system described was able to directly pocket all balls on the table. To the "Putdown Posse", Mr. The one we've heard about here is the. As far as systems go, its as good as any, and an excellent place to start. I was very lucky yesterday to spend a day visiting Hal Houle. you have nothing to lose. . First he told me to forget everything I knew about shooting pool. Basically, the claim is there are only three different aims for all cut shots: a “15° cut,” a “30° cut,” and a “45° cut. Hal Houle. left side of shaft to right left and right side of the shaft to go right. I tried the Hal Houle edge of the ball system, but I found that I was never. JoeyInCali Maker of Joey Bautista Cues. By: Search Advanced search…Hal Houle developed over 20 aiming systems that had nothing to do with contact points or fractions. It was very obvious to me how Jimmy was making balls. ALL of which had a pivot including CTE. If you, as a pool enthusiast and player are interested in improving your game by becoming proficient with CTE (Center To Edge) Aiming, it won't be here. Includes; pocketing, caroms, single rail banks, double rail banks, 2, 3, and 4 rail banks, and double. There are a lot of 'instructors' selling players on various ideas they claim are magic bullets. By: Search Advanced search…Specifically in regards to CTE? We've gone from it can't work to it can't work as advertised. Then after I got home. ”. August 1, 2023. On the first occasion I spoke to him for a while, and then I played on the adjacent table while he schooled a couple people for several hours. I just. Search titles only. Hal Houle knew Greenleaf and probably Fez. First he told me to forget. Just that simple!! thanks for the post friend!! mark . pj chgoInstruction & Ask the pros. The following was passed on to me by someone who was there in the loop and a close friend of Hal. By: Search Advanced search…So perhaps if it bugs you then skipping the threads would be the best thing to do. When I first learned of Hal Houle, I immediately sought him out because I heard he was a very knowledgeable man. . It's not, every combination of perception, left or right cut, sweep or pivot direction, etc,,,, will result in the same. . His best results are winning a stage in. I'm pretty sure he was from the Albuquerque neck of the woods. Well beyond the life of the. Aiming ConversationHal Houle (rhymes with pool) gave his knowledge free of charge and welcomed anyone to call him at any time to learn more about his aiming systems. – Hal Houle’s 3-angle system – Hit-A-Million-Balls (HAMB) aiming system – How to Aim Pool Shots (HAPS) – limited lines or alignments of aim – midpoint parallel-shift aiming system – 90/90 pivot-based aiming system. poolguppy AzB Silver Member. 5 years ago. (Houle's memory is somewhat hazy on the point. Obviously CTE was one of them and Shiskabob was another. I was a pretty good friend to Hal for over 20 years.